Velocity Gear tested gloves

thanks for info...

They are tested but non officially certified (in USA the EN standard worth nothing), but is a nice thing...

Shows how European standards are important. Is sad that european makers aren't agree.

(my English is very bleha).

You seem right Conny : I got carried away after seeing it passed the tests at Satras, but it may "only" be tested, and not factually certified, which would be understandable for an American pair of gloves.

Though, actually, the part that interests me most in the certification is that it provides a common ground, on which we can base our comparisons, as consumers : the tests allow us to say "under these repeatable conditions, it is strong enough, or it is not" (and in the matter of gloves, it is sad that about all of them can be said not to be strong enough).

Now, of course, a successful test, together with a factual certification, would be better. But if I had to choose between Velovity Gear, that passes, but may not have the magic paper, and Halvarssons, that got the magic paper, but seems to suffer from defective design (fraying stitches on the thumb), well, I'd choose the former.

Just so to clear things up, I emailed Velocity Gear, so to be sure as to which term should be employed when one speaks about their gloves. Anyway, factually certified or not, I am already impressed by their gloves being amongst the very rare designed well enough so to pass the certification

guys, the law aboyt gloves is not the 13634, but the 13594!
http://www.motosicurezza.com/?q=en-13594-guanti

we had already spoken about high velocity's goves here (it's in italian): http://www.motosicurezza.com/?q=node/406

basically they have passed tests as abrasion, burst and impact...but not the "Little" tests. But none could know if the would pass these tests.
Please note that "little tests" are important at least as the "big tests".

Anyway this american company can not claim "certification" but just "tests".

You are right, Alaxandair : I edited the mistake (it will make it easier to find the good term in the search-engine), and I also corrected the tittle to only speak about "test", and not "certification" - sorry for this. Sorry as well for the fact those had already been discussed : I had not found the previous topic about these gloves.

As for the little tests, as you say, I know that there is a minimum length above the wrist (50mm), that the glove should not be pulled away nor prevent from proper maneuverability, and that the dyes used to colour the glove should not be toxic (eg no chrome VI, no agressive pH, and such). But those are about the only "small" tests I heard about, for gloves (I agree these characteristics are as important as the others, though I think they are probably easier to achieve than others, namely impact, abrasion, and cut) : are you aware of others ?

it's ok

here they are:
Quality tests: Dye fastness, ph, chromium
then:
hard inclusion (innocuousness)
then:
coverage, restraint, tear strenght, strenght of seams,

then the before mentioned "big ones": cut, abrasion, impact (if fitted with knuckle protector)

OK, I knew about all of them, then (even if I screwed up the numbers a little: I am still new into all of this, after all - maybe not an excuse, but at least an explanation ). Just two questions:

- innocuousness of hard inclusions, how is it different than impact protection? I mean, why would a manufacturer put hard things, if not for impact protection (while still putting absorbing material in between the hard impactor, and the body parts to protect)?
- strength of seams : sure is an interesting one - but strength to what? Is it the burst strength test, where some pressure is imposed underneath a stich, and it has not to explode? I guess it is not overall or long-term strength of seams, otherwise, Halvarssons' Safety Grips would sure had some problems with this one...

Hello,

Doing a little research and found this link. Thank you for caring personal protection, something that many forget about.

To get to the point:

I had an open challenge to any manufacturer of gloves to do a side by side EC test "session" to see who make the best glove on the planet earth. We introduced our motorcycle gloves and CycleWorld magazine here in the U.S. and so far only CycleWorld has a review.
Unfortunately, if you're not throwing money on advertising "magazines", then it will not give you much more than a piece in their magazine.

For those who support our gloves are "fake" I dare you to get other manufacturers to accept our challenge for the EC glove cut resistance, tear resistance, SEAM tensile strength and abrasion resistance. If you have the courage to call our "fake", then get off your horse and get someone to accept the challenge.

We only sought the physical testing requirements MAIN simply because the evidence remaining is nothing special to consider. Seriously, you're going to try to discredit our gloves because of these test requirements:

1 - Innocuousness
Test the safety of the materials used to construct the glove. These include the pH and chromium VI content of all materials in the skin, as well as color fastness to water of all glove materials. The use of hard inclusions such as metal buckles or studs is also limited and are only allowed for the outer protective layer of the glove.

2 - Restraint
A test to evaluate the restraint of the glove on the hand of the wearer is also included as clearly as the glove does not offer any protection to the wearer if it is withdrawn or thrown away his hand during an accident. REALLY?

3 - Ergonomics
To ensure that the driver can still drive with caution when wearing gloves, a procedure is included to evaluate the ergonomics of the glove.

Meeting these basic requirements is as simple as breathing, understand your concerns because we build the best damn frame glove on Planet Earth! and a lifetime warranty to boot ...

I sent you a mail months and months ago and you did answer well

Basically we (me as "official motosicurezza.com" speaker) do not consider your glove as a "fake", but simply as a not-certified glove which had passed some tests described in the en 13594 and relatives. And this is the damned true
Then, i appreciate your challenge to build a very good glove and I consider your glove a good one (if you search the forum i had quoted you positively several times).
But simply i do not like the arguments I quoted from your message. Every part of the en 13594 is important and indivisible from the others.
And I really do not like phrases as "we build the best etc.". We call them "americanate", but this is just irony and i do not want to use it. Scientifically i can say that i know at least on glove that is by law and probably by facts better than your.
In any case ready to try your. Have you considered to start to import it in Europe?

Unfortunately, I will not compromise on "the best damn glove" simply because I know what we've acomplished. The only other true CE glove to my knowledge is the Halvarssons and I have no question we have a better glove chassis.

The reason we did no conduct the final testing requrements was due to the cost. Velocity Gear is a small two man business. All of our capitol is our own investment. We're not businessmen as such, just enthusiasts. We build the products in hopes people will recognize them.

We were in the midst of testing our gloves when the economic greed of the USA stopped us dead in our tracks. Just getting our products tested for seam, cut, tear and abrasion resistance, including samples runs up to $3500.00.

In my opinion EN13594:2002 is defined ONLY by cut resistance, tear resistance, seam burst resistance and abrasion resistance. If you are passing these physical testing requirements THERE'S NO CHANCE YOU'RE USING INFERIOR MATERIALS and the remaining chemical, ergonomic and FLUFFERY is just that!

It's as simple as telling our manufacturing department to order the necessary materials to meet ALL of the CE requirements.

But as I stated, our project fell right in the middle of the recession. We made a decision to test our products under the real physical requirements and if people appreciated what we were doing, then getting the full CE certificate would be as easy as placing an order...

So far our bet was right, since Americans are LOGO driven and the CE certificate is only valid in the EU, the only people buying our gloves are those that educate themselves.

I'll give you some numbers that have not been posted anywhere:

EN13594:2002 Tear Strength: requirement= 40N

Velocity Gear=165.75N we quadrupled the requirement!!!!

In this one test, we completely DESTROYED the testing requirements. All of our tests DESTROYED the requirements, except for one; Seam Burst... Yes, we beat the requirement but only by 5-6N.

Here is why SEAM BURST is so important: GRAPHIC

http://www.ducatipilot.com/showthread.php?t=103

Capito tutto

In pratica il signor Velocity sostiene di fare i guanti migliori al mondo, che hanno fatto i test CE ma non l'omologazione completa perché in USA non ha valore e anche soprattutto per motivi di costo in quanto sono solo due soci...

Due soci sono pure troppi,io sono sempre per il socio unico.

A me la loro produzione piace,a vedersi sembra roba valida e fatta bene,però stà al signor Velocity decidere se investire o no per esportare o restare solo lì.......se vuole arrivare anche quà a me non basta la sua parola per farmi decidere di acquistare un paio di guanti da 225 petrodollari senza neanche sapere che roba è,sopratutto perchè un guanto già certificato ce l'ho e non è che ne sia tanto contento,o sbaglio?

Dear Velocitygear

1. I appreciate you posting here. It's always good when a company interacts directly with consumers, and I do like it a lot. Keep doing it.

2. Alexandair, a great and very nice guy, speaks as a founder and administrator of motosicurezza.com, but of course he does not speak for all members.
Unlike him, I do like when companies claim to build the best product on the market, and this is because, in the US more than here, then those same companies are morally obliged to prove their statemens. So, I appreciate your positive attitude and your confidence, and I would never insult that attitute calling it "american bulls*it" just as I would not like anybody to refer to Italian attitude, generically, as "Italian bulls*it". Some, here, may use that expression. Not me.

3. Having said so, however, now please prove your statements. And I honestly don't mean it sarcastically or ironically. I would love to believe you based on a simple honor system, but these are >>safety<< products and I think science is more appropriate. So, my suggestion is: certify your products according to EU safety standards, and start importing them to the EU.

I promise you that if you certify your gloves, I'd be your customer that same day, and I belive many here would be. I am not in the market to save money on my own safety.

If only 10 people from this forum purchase your products, and that's quite a realistic expectation you may have, you've made most of your certification money back.

Congratulation for your work, especially if carried out by just two people, and keep up you enthusiasm. If your products are as good as you claim, I wish you the best of luck.

Abbastanza d'accordo... anche se non ho amato il tono risentito nella risposta del signor Velocity... Non credo che nessuno volesse sminuire il loro lavoro... In ogni caso visto il mediocre livello generale nei guanti, realizzare un prodotto al top rispetto agli altri non è una cosa così inverosimile.

Alla fine c'è solo il Safety omologato, e non tutti ne sono soddisfatti per le finiture realizzative. Esiste il BKS che sembra buono ma non è certificato...

Insomma, il mercato è abbastanza aperto a proposte... su tute e stivali abbiamo visto che non è impossibile... i guanti invece è un campo aperto!

Una piccola nicchia europea potrebbe essere interessata... ma per quanto piccola potrebbe essere una nicchia interessante, soprattutto se ci sono anche caratteristiche di confort ecc... col dollaro debole poi....

Nessun tono risentito, e non credo abbiate sminuito nulla.

Mi riservo il diritto di puntualizzare il mio punto di vista, nel rispetto di quello altrui. Se sono sembrato "duro" mi spiace. Intendevo essere semplicemente neutro e chiaro su come io, personalmente, la vedo. Ed è quello il tono che spero emerga da queste mie parole.

Alax dice, testualmente "a me non piacciono quelle aziende che dicono 'facciamo i prodotti migliori del mondo'", e che, sempre testualmente, "noi chiamiamo queste affermazioni americanate ma non desidero farlo in questo caso".

E' suo pieno diritto dirlo, ma non rappresenta me e dunque lo chiarisco:

1. Io non parlo mai di americanate, nè in questo caso nè in altri (molte "americanate" mi piacciono da morire, anzi, ma questo è un altro discorso).
Dissento con chi usa una simile espressione dispregiativa come se fosse una pacca sulla spalla, così come dissento e difendo l'Iitalia da chi parla, all'estero, di "italianate" (pur usando espressioni diverse). Non per buone maniere, ma perchè non ne condivido il significato.

2. A me piace moltissimo quando qualcuno dice che i suoi prodotti sono "migliori di", "del mondo", o "dell'universo". Come amo la pubblicità comparativa e franca. Sono affermazioni aperte e chiare, e se non le si dimostra si fa una figura barbina. Che poi sia uso frequente in Italia sparare idiozie >senza doverne render conto< perchè non esistono associazioni di consumatori efficaci e perchè se faccio causa contro chi dichiara il falso ne vengo a capo dopo 25 anni, è semmai motivo di imbarazzo (italianate?), ma è un altro discorso. Ben venga qualcuno che parla senza banale buonismo. Fai i guanti migliori del mondo? Gridalo forte e >dimostralo<. Se non riesci a dimostrarlo sei un buffone grande quanto la panzana che racconti, ma altrimenti hai detto il vero e ciò sarà utile a tutti.

E rispetto chi pensa che le mie idee sopra siano panzane a loro volta. Conosco un sacco di gente che crede che io sia matto , e molti sono miei cari amici. Al di la delle battute, è il bello del libero pensiero e desidero solo esprimerlo. Tutto lì.

Infatti. Non ho detto il falso quando ho spiegato a VelocityGear che se certificano i loro guanti ne compro un paio all'istante. E francamente - qui parlo ovviamente solo per me - se mi costassero anche caro per via della spedizione, li comprerei lo stesso.

Avete visto il link postato da VelocityGear? Ci sono foto cruente e potranno disturbare molti, ma, se credete, vi consiglio di vederle. Non dico naturalmente che un guanto ben fatto sia una panacea, ma consumare solo le fasce muscolari anzichè quelle >e anche l'osso<, ad esempio, risparmiandosi ingfezioni mortali, credo sia cmq un bellissimo risultato. So che siamo d'accordo tutti (o quasi) su questo.

Come dicevo, sono fondamentalmente d'accordo. Anche se nell'ambiente "motociclistico" tutti affermano di essere il meglio. È un'espressione un po' abusata che può lasciare lecitamente perplessi. Che poi nel caso specifico ci può anche stare. Basta dimostrarlo.

Le foto cruente non le guardo.

Io sostengo comunque che i guanti siano fondamentali. Anche senza andare a pensare a cadute gravi (cosa a cui proprio non voglio pensare). Ma anche solo un graffio ad una mano per me sarebbe insostenibile come danno. Figuriamoci.

VelocityGear?
Are you still around? No further comment on your part? Are you considering to certify your products? I was hoping for some feedback from you here!

Hello again, still around

We're a small business dedicated to the "products", the marketing and other nonsense that is clearly a "must have" is something that we're not proficient at. To battle any mainstream manufacturer requries deep pockets.

As I stated, certifying our products is as easy as typing this post. All we have to do is say the word. Ultimately, if someone was interested in importing our products, and was REALLY serious, then we would have no trouble getting the certification.

Unfortunately, I made a personal gamble; I had assumed people would care about Ce rated gloves. We get enough traffic for body armor because of the certifications, I thought gloves would be a no brainer.
Currently, I am unsure if it is the recession Worldwide or if people simply don't care. The amount of interest in our project has not been stellar...

A CycleWorld review of our Exhibition Pro: http://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle_news/product_reviews_articles/10q3/...

You're definitely not, because, allow me, you seem to consider certifications just a stamp to show off on commercials and adds. Educated customers, though, know it is much more. It is a quite scientific proof of what you state about your Gloves.
Not only that, I think that you can make your potential customers interested in the certifications, if you try. You just have to explain what they are, and why they are important. Which is one of the purposes of this very website and web community.

Well, for my part, that's too bad. I'll wait for your EN certification, should you ever get it, before I even consider your goves. Nonetheless, good luck and thanks for posting here.

very interesting topic indeed!

I'm still wondering what should be my next racing gloves, as I definitely don't trust anymore my Furygan's FRG10 that just keep on blowing each and every time they hit the ground.

I was thinking of the knox handroids in the first place, but they are too small for me even in 2XL.
Then I tought of the Rev'It Jerez, as rev'it is a brand that I feel trustworthy...

obviously none of these are certificated, so I just have to trust my guts :/

But as I'm currently living in San Francisco, I might be able to find a pair of velocitygear's to try somewhere

quick question to you, velocitygear's guy : I've read on ADVRider that your gloves were made in Pakistan.
How do you ensure the consistency of their building quality?

Thank You for your continued questions, we appreciate any interest as too few even understand what our gloves stand for.

We do have a rep in Southern California but his attempts at Dealership sales has been unfortunate. Dealers for the most part only care about sales, they have no need or desire to seek better protection. They want products that sell "automatically" and have no time or desire to educate their customers. There are exceptions for sure, but 98% of the Dealers our rep has approached not only are unaware of what CE ratings are but could honestly care less.

As for build quality:

No rocket science required. I've been dealing with Manufacturers in Pakistan for almost 10 years. It has literally taken us 6 of those years to weed through all of the middlemen and incompetent manufacturers to find people that understand what we're after.
If a customer is unhappy with our gloves, we replace them. If the problem is present in more than one pair, we remedy the issue in production. Luckily, being a small business makes the process of updating and upgrading a snap! Just like getting the full CE certification.
I promise you; bring me interested people and we'll get that certification in a matter of weeks. So far, you are the only person to push the "full CE ceritifcation" requirement.

50 interested people would be enough for us to get the full certification. Until then, we've simply spent to much time and money thinking more people would appreciate our project. That post on ADVRider has almost 1500 views and getting 10 people to participate in a heavily discounted group buy has been incredibly unsatisfying.

In my opinion, if people don't care about abrasion, cut, tear and seam burst; then they surely don't care about azo dye's, ph levels and the like...

I surely am interested (especially considering the price of the group order!) but as many of us, I think that not being able to actually see the gloves holds us from ordering...

especially for me who have very long fingers, I definitely can't order gloves without trying them because the regular measurement doesn't work for me, they only gloves that can fit my fingers are 3XL (even if that always mean that the palm will be too large...)

that being said, maybe I could give you my full hand measurement (and not only the palm circumference) and so you'd be able to tell me if your gloves would fit me?

But as you say, people are hard to convince and do very much rely on "fancy brands" weared by top racers.

If you want to build you some notoriety, you should really push on posting on different forums, make some youtube videos (things like what sportbiketrackgear or revzilla are doing that are really showing how the glove is made instead of the couple of -let's face it- crappy pictures on your website, or showing gloves that actually sustained a crash), send samples to magazines and websites (or maybe to the previously named guys from STG and revzilla), maybe publish the actual testings results that you got from satra...

Speaking of the knox handroids, I'm curious to hear what a professional gloves maker would have to say about them...

velocitygear, if you think you can remain impartial, that could be very interesting

(actually that would be interesting for all of the high-end gloves in the market, I'm picking the handroids because they are so different).

Hello again,

We can actually tailor gloves for you if you have long or fat fingers. Custom sizing isn't that difficult for us, it's getting the word out...

We're doing another YouTube video and slowly trying to hit the forums. I had thought, without a doubt a review in a MAJOR magazine would make a huge difference in our sales. So far, I was DEAD wrong and in a big way. I'm really taken back, as I don't know what to think anymore.

The KNOX gloves. Well, I think they look pretty cool and Knox is a well known company that cares about personal protection. Asthetically, it's a great looking glove, something you would expect to see from Dainese. You know, ALL show and NO go!!

Honestly though, it's probably one of the better choices for Motorcycle gloves. Unfortunately, if they don't have any testing data or if they haven't tested the glove at all, then their glove is a guesstimate. probably a good guestimate..BUT WHY haven't they tested them?

Bottom line is in the numbers and I would be more than happy for our Formula or Prodigy gloves to go up against the Handroid in a CE testing facility.

Anyone here willing to contact RIDE magazine. I know they love this kind of stuff

yeah, that would be great... RiDE is probably my favorite magazine too
I don't know anybody there, but you could try just sending them an email and offering them a pair of your gloves...

On a side note, if you need help in contacting French magazines/journalists/whatever, just ask

as far as I know their last gloves test took place in August 2009, and none of the tested gloves obtained really good results on the seams resistance test; plus a lot of them had really poor results on abrasion tests...
it's available here :
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/Ride%20Magazine/Product%20test%20pd...

and yes, I might be interested in a custom made glove (especially if it stays at the group-order price )

send me a PM if you wish to discuss this more in details

Anything that you guys could do to help us PROVE our gloves are built for the task, would be greeatly appreciated. I'm really displeased about missing that damn Ride review, I had no idea...

If anyone wants to participate in the current group buy, please email us at support@highvelocitygear.com

Navigating this site is difficult for me as it is not in english and trying to translate every page is not fun

That Ride review annoys me, in that they don't post ANY actual testing data. I'll assume that's because you could actually compare it to "real" numbers. The 1-1o scale is unfortunate! Post the REAL numbers!!!

I am afraid 50 is a bit too many given the size of this community, but it is worth trying.

See below.

People will care if they are informed. If you publish ads saying, as clear and loud as possible, "one of the few EN13594 CERTIFIED, currently the best and most demanding safety certification standard", you'll get people interested, and you'll sell. That'd be particularly true in the EU.
Also, in the US you are allowed comparative Ads, which is so good. Just say it openly "We got EN13594 on our products; Dainese, Spidi, do NOT!"

The market, at present, just does not know certifications even exist. And the few people that do, they mostly think certifications are just worthless bureaucratic nonsense. Just advertise otherwise, and they'll know. Just tell them. That's what people want to hear. People want to buy quality products. 50 years of market analysis show that clearly. People buy premium cars, clothes, food, because they want quality. There's a market for quality, out there. A certification will show them that quality, and it will do so more than many boring "trust us we're good" statements.

My 5 cents.

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Ragazzi, Velocity Gear dice che se solo ci fossero 50 persone interessate all'acquisto dei loro guanti, procederebbero alla certificazione. Dubito si possa essere in 50, qui, ma mi chiedevo quanti di voi sono al momento interessati ad un paio di guanti e considererebbero i Velocity Gear se fossero certificati?

- Taym
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I am interested and I might be able to gather more people

for memory, a few friends and I have been able to organize group orders for forcefield sub4 back protectors (we ordered more than 80 back protectors!) and for knox handroids (we ordered around 20 of these if I remember well).
In both case we managed to obtain hudge discounts

So, why not give a try for these... but it will be far more difficult because of the lack of notoriety of velocitygear.
And I personally need them quite soon, so I probably order directly (I sent him an email yesterday)

Guarda se fossero certificati e se il discount fosse sensibile io ci starei anche, visto che i miei Dainese sono abbastanza usurati sui polpastrelli e la cosa non mi piace molto. Certo bisognerebbe capire di che cifra parliamo, visto che le mie possibilità economiche di studente squattrinato sono abbastanza limitate

Io sarei interessato.
I would be interested to the glove if it would be certified.
I can check it out, give me at least a month, if it is possible to organize 50 sure orders (by extending the gda to more, my, contacts). In any case the payment would be done after a nice CE (cat. 2) EN 13594 certificate.

Sarei interessato,dipende dal przzo.
Fatemi sapere eventualmente chi si occuperebbe di raccogliere gli ordini.
Grazie
Ennio

Ragazzi, Velocity Gear dice che se solo ci fossero 50 persone interessate all'acquisto dei loro guanti, procederebbero alla certificazione. Dubito si possa essere in 50, qui, ma mi chiedevo quanti di voi sono al momento interessati ad un paio di guanti e considererebbero i Velocity Gear se fossero certificati?

- Alax
- Ennio
- Panzo
- Taym